Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Super Secret Intelligence Gathering in NZ

Today some protesters damaged a "secret intelligence gathering base" in Waihopai, NZ. The article is here


The government and the agency involved say "We're not spying for the Americans":


"Opponents of the Waihopai base argue that it is primarily feeding information to the United States in support of wars New Zealanders do not support.


But the secretive Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), which operates the base, near Blenheim, rejects this."


Supposedly the protesters are just trying to make us aware of it... because supposedly the tax payer is tacitly funding the american war on terror...heh.


He goes on to say:


"Mr Caddie told NZPA news agency the action took about two months to plan and the group did not really expect to succeed.


"We were expecting not to get anywhere close to it."


The planning involved a lot of texting, emails and phone calls, which were not intercepted, he said.


"I guess it shows that the system doesn't work that well."


OR...


Its not an intelligence gathering station for the americans intercepting all his phone calls and spying on him.


I think the only intelligence gathering that needs to take place is from Mr Caddie himself.



Sunday, April 20, 2008

More Jesusonian Tripe

Check this out.. from our good friend brother dave..


He feels no problems with adding to scripture and turning it into an abortion. The man is quite clearly anti Christ, and even more clearly deceived by the devil




A Presbyterian minister friend of mine told me, over 20 years ago,


that he (and other seminary students ready to graduate) were asked


this difficult question: "Why do we pray in the 'Lord's


Prayer', 'Lead us not into temptation' ? Why would God want to lead


us into temptation ?"



Yes, these intelligent seminary students and their teachers all know


that this was a big problem, likely caused by poor editing/copying of


the original text.



As you share with us below, "Save us in (our self-willed) temptation"


is spiritually correct. I also like the last line that got lost


somehow.



THE ACTUAL LORD'S PRAYER that Jesus Incarnate taught his brothers and


sisters in Nazareth:



"Our Father who is in heaven,



Hallowed be your name.



Your kingdom come; your will be done



On earth as it is in heaven.



Give us this day our bread for tomorrow;



Refresh our souls with the water of life.



And forgive us every one our debts



As we also have forgiven our debtors.



Save us in temptation, deliver us from evil,



And increasingly make us perfect like yourself."



Later, after Jesus Ascended and sent Himself back here to Teach us as


He the Spirit of Truth, Christian believers were Spirit of Truth-led


to add this line:



"For Yours is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory, forevermore."



Later, I hope that further spiritual Luminosity in soul and


enlightenment in our minds will improve that to. (my suggestion;


freely use your own inspired words)



"For Yours is our Divine Family under Your Sovereign Power, and we


perfecting within your Spirit Glory Presence, forevermore."



Peace and progress,



Brother Dave

Friday, April 18, 2008

Depression.

I love this song by Blam Blam Blam. It was written appr0x 20 years ago, and is still poignant today..



There is no depression in New Zealand;
there are no sheep on our farms,
There is no depression in New Zealand;
we can all keep perfectly calm,


Everybody's talking about World War Three;
everybody's talking about World War Three,
But we're as safe as safe can be,
there's no unrest in this country
We have no dole queues,
we have no drug addicts,
we have no racism,
we have no sexism, sexism, no, no


There is no depression in New Zealand;
there are no teeth in our heads
There is no depression in New Zealand;
we sleep in a well made bed
Oh but everybody's talking about World War Three,
yes everybody's talking about World War Three,
But we're as safe as safe can be,
there's no unrest in this country
We have no SIS,
we have no secrets,
we have no rebellion;
we have no valium, valium, no, no


There is no depression in New Zealand;
there are no sheep on our farms,
There is no depression in New Zealand;
oh we can all keep perfectly calm,
perfectly calm,
perfectly calm,
perfectly calm,
perfectly calm...

Wednesday, April 16, 2008

Weird Al - the saga begins

The Saga Begins

I thought this to be very well done.

Here's the lyrics:

(to the tune of american pie)

"The Saga Begins"

A long, long time ago
In a galaxy far away
Naboo was under an attack
And I thought me and Qui-Gon Jinn
Could talk the federation into
Maybe cutting them a little slack
But their response, it didn't thrill us
They locked the doors and tried to kill us
We escaped from that gas
Then met Jar Jar and Boss Nass
We took a bongo from the scene
And we went to Theed to see the Queen
We all wound up on Tatooine
That's where we found this boy...

Oh my my this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Sayin' "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"

Did you know this junkyard slave
Isn't even old enough to shave
But he can use the Force, they say
Ahh, do you see him hitting on the queen
Though he's just nine and she's fourteen
Yah, he's probably gonna marry her someday
Well, I know he built C-3PO
And I've heard how fast his pod can go
And we were broke, it's true
So we made a wager or two
He was a prepubescent flyin' ace
And the minute Jabba started off that race
Well, I knew who would win first place
Oh yes, it was our boy

We started singin' ...
My my this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Sayin' "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"

Now we finally got to Coruscant
The Jedi Council we knew would want
To see how good the boy could be
So we took him there and we told the tale
How his midi-chlorians were off the scale
And he might fulfill that prophecy
Oh, the Council was impressed, of course
Could he bring balance to the Force?
They interview the kid
Oh, training they forbid
Because Yoda sensed in him much fear
And Qui-Gon said "Now listen here"
"Just stick it in your pointy ear"
"I still will teach this boy"

He was singin' ...
My my this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Sayin' "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"

We caught a ride back to Naboo
'Cause Queen Amidala wanted to
I frankly would've liked to stay
We all fought in that epic war
And it wasn't long at all before
Little Hotshot flew his plane and saved the day
And in the end some Gunguns died
Some ships blew up and some pilots fried
A lot of folks were croakin'
The battle droids were broken
And the Jedi I admire most
Met up with Darth Maul and now he's toast
Well, I'm still here and he's a ghost
I guess I'll train this boy

And I was singin' ...
My my this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Sayin' "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
"Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"

We were singin' ...
My my this here Anakin guy
May be Vader someday later - now he's just a small fry
And he left his home and kissed his mommy goodbye
Sayin' "Soon I'm gonna be a Jedi"
Banned from the CHristian Philosophy Mailing list ?

Here is the official reason:


Member Geoff is banned from posting here for one week, six days now


remaining, for repeated violations and after having many private


warnings by both Karen (our moderator) and me (list owner) over the


last 4 months or more.



See below, where Geoff replys to Andre and all Members here:



>This is the Jesus of Scripture, not the Jesus of Urantia, or


>anyone/anywhere else. If you are outside the box, you are against


>Jesus.



Geoff here, and many times before, has unfairly and preemptively


judged as "against Jesus" the clear majority of Members here who are


not "boxed in" to the concept of "inerrant scripture" only. You may


argue for or against all scripture/Bible doctrines, if civil and


brotherly; but you shall NOT call any person here "against Jesus"


or "anti-Christian" unless that person has first clearly stated here


that he/she is against Jesus ! Then, that person would be removed


from here by me; (after giving private warnings) as this is, #1


first and last, a CHRISTIAN and PRO-JESUS group. This policy of mine


is so tolerant as to allow sincere Islamics here, or any other


religionists, who only regard Jesus as a great Prophet or spiritual


Teacher. We Jesusonians here Know that He is our Sovereign God,


Creator Father, Eternal Friend, Elder Brother and very much more,


ever being spiritually Revealed here in stages. But anyone saying


they are "against Jesus" is worse than a non-Christian, they are Anti-


Christian. Geoff must learn to allow God and Jesus as One in Spirit


here to be the actual and real judge of which humans are really


sufficiently FOR or against Jesus Christ and His Supernal Teachings


in God's Spirit. (not "boxed-in" to just one human-compiled


scriptures into a book of about only 1200 printed pages and called a


Bible.)


----------------------------------------------------------------


Its sad that an intelligent guy believe this tripe. Its even worse that he can do it in the guise of Christianity.


Christianity is based on the life, work, and teaching of a first century Jewish Seer named Jesus, called the Messiah. All we know of this is contained within the body of work called "The Bible".


Dave would have you believe that this is not true. I know I prefer historical fact over the ravings of a heretic.

Monday, April 14, 2008

More Rubbish on the Christian-Philosophy mailling list

As I have mentioned before, this list has been taken over by non christian heretics (Jesusonians).


They'll say pretty much anything and then abuse you if you try and correct them. This is the latest made up mumbo jumbo:



Nathaniel took Jesus away from the others and asked: "Master, could you trust me to know the truth about the Scriptures? I observe that you teach us only a portion of the sacred writings--the best as I view it--and I infer that you reject the teachings of the rabbis to the effect that the words of the law are the very words of God, having been with God in heaven even before the times of Abraham and Moses. What is the truth about the Scriptures?"



When Jesus heard the question of his bewildered apostle, he answered:



"Nathaniel, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham.



Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them.



While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.



"These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin.



As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first.



The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.



"Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain.



If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men.



The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness.



The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.



"Nathaniel, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies--men, women, and children.



Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God.



The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them.



Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah?



And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.



"The thing most deplorable is not merely this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings, but rather the confusing misinterpretation of these sacred writings by the tradition-enslaved scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem.



And now will they employ both the doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures and their misinterpretations thereof in their determined effort to withstand these newer teachings of the gospel of the kingdom.



Nathaniel, never forget, the Father does not limit the revelation of truth to any one generation or to any one people.



Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures.



"The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation.



And even if these holy men of old lived inspired and spirit-filled lives, that does not mean that their words were similarly spiritually inspired.



Today we make no record of the teachings of this gospel of the kingdom lest, when I have gone, you speedily become divided up into sundry groups of truth contenders as a result of the diversity of your interpretation of my teachings.



For this generation it is best that we live these truths while we shun the making of records.



"Mark you well my words, Nathaniel,



nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible.



Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.



"But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret.



The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense.



The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.



"But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest.



They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people.



And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations."



Nathaniel was enlightened, and shocked, by the Master's pronouncement. He long pondered this talk in the depths of his soul, but he told no man concerning this conference until after Jesus' ascension; and even then he feared to impart the full story of the Master's instruction.

Monday, April 07, 2008

Funniest thing I've read lately...

IN a debate with some Jesusonians (www.urantiabook.com) a person said this:


"True, Enoch did not see death. He merged with his Thought Adjuster (Divine Spark of God) while here on earth. When this occurs, a soul is instantly taken up to heaven."


I got hours of giggles from this :P


Today we sign a free trade agreement with China. People are all upset about the way they treat people, like the lower classes and the tibetians. Well, I agree its bad. I dont know that signing an agreement without saying "Well, how about you do something about this..." is a good idea, however the FTA is good for New Zealand, and if we put our minds to it we can use it to positively influence China.

But will we?

In other news, look:



And..